LOU DOBBS (HOST): I mean, she has just whipped the president of the United States --
SEBASTIAN GORKA: Lou --
DOBBS: No, no -- stop, stop, and then I'll let you finish. You know I'm a -- a animated, energetic supporter of this president --
GORKA: Yes.
DOBBS: -- But you've got to call it as it is. This president said it was going to be conditional, border security, building that wall, and he just reversed himself. That's a victory for Nancy Pelosi. It will be perceived as such on every television monitor and screen in the country -- and to deny it is to try to escape from reality, and that we ain't going to do here.
GORKA: It may be perceived as such, but Lou, remember, this is for three weeks. As far as I'm concerned, this is a master stroke, because this is a standoff that has been extended for three weeks. The government will shut down again, but the president -- ignore what Nancy said today because that's just garbage, the president gets his State of the Union address --
DOBBS: Woah, woah, woah -- what she said today is “garbage?”
GORKA: Yes.
DOBBS: You are talking about the woman who's the queen of the hill, partner. You know what?
GORKA: In her -- in her own mind, in her own mind, Lou.
DOBBS: Maybe in her own mind, but on this broadcast, she's the winner.
