HANS VON SPAKOVSKY (HERITAGE FOUNDATION): I have to tell you that the Secretary of State in Michigan -- if somebody asked me who was the worst Secretary of State, most partisan Democrat Secretary of State in the country, it would be Jocelyn Benson, the Secretary of State of Michigan. She is so bad about this that for the past two years she's been fighting a lawsuit filed by the Public Interest Legal Foundation. They found over 26,000 people who are dead on the voter rolls and she has refused to take them off. That's the kind of person you have in charge of elections there.
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LARRY O'CONNOR (HOST): If I can swing back to Michigan, or stay in Michigan, I should say, because they've launched a new website on their State Board of Elections -- I don't know if you've seen this -- where it tracks absentee ballots and the return rate. Couple of things about that. First of all, Wayne County, which is where Detroit is located, the major urban center in Michigan, has something like a 47% return rate -- the highest in the state. It's an astounding number, I think, this early on and a lot of people are looking at that number and sort of circling it in a curious way. Does that raise a red flag for you, the number of returns in that area?
VON SPAKOVSKY: Yes. Any time you see a particular area of a state having a higher rate of use of absentee ballots, and that includes returns, than other areas, that can be a sign or a clue that there is potentially fraud going on. And I would hope that the RNC and others have observers there who are looking into that. Michigan, by the way, has also been sued because Jocelyn Benson has put in a new rule allowing Americans abroad who have never, ever, lived in Michigan -- she's saying, oh, well, we'll consider you a resident, quote-unquote, of the state and you can vote here.