Fox News host denies that any hospitals reached capacity and says the unvaccinated are not a threat to anyone
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Fox News host denies that any hospitals reached capacity and says the unvaccinated are not a threat to anyone
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From the October 1, 2021, edition of Fox News' The Will Cain Podcast
WILL CAIN (HOST): Over time, [Dr. Anthony] Fauci has shifted the goalpost. He's changed the finish line from bend the curve to reduce deaths to reduce hospitalizations to reduce cases to 60% is herd immunity to 70-75% vaccination is herd immunity to now, according to his boss Joe Biden, 97-98% of us need to be vaccinated before we can return to normal. But Fauci raises the standard one more time. Now he raises the goalposts, the finish line to a reduction in COVID cases to zero. That is the policy down under. That is the excuse for confiscating a trunk full of KFC in New Zealand. That's the moral authority that allows cops in Australia to drag a woman carrying a child crying in her arms towards a paddy wagon. That's the goal that has allowed Australia to become an authoritarian state. And the most powerful man in America for, well, just about two years — the most powerful man in America, Dr. Anthony Fauci, has now suggested his goal, his target in establishing public health policy is zero COVID cases. How far will he go in accomplishing that goal?
I talked in the previous episode of The Will Cain Podcast about Dr. Robert Malone. He's one of the inventors of the mRNA vaccine. He's very opposed to government mandates. He's very opposed to a vaccine mandate. He tweeted the following recently. He tweeted that he doesn't believe the state has a right to require anyone to accept the medical procedure against their will, not vaccines nor a cliterectomy. He's referencing there the act of female genital mutilation that takes place a lot of — across a lot of Islamist countries in Africa and the Middle East. He says, whether it's vaccines or a cliterectomy, a government-required medical procedure is wrong. It's not ethical. It's not acceptable. I agree. And somehow, somehow that proposition has become a radical position.
Now perhaps there's some of you in my listening audience who still disagree with me. And if there are, I appreciate you still listening to The Will Cain Podcast. I don't hide my opinions, and I don't yet have the venue to welcome in yours, but I enjoy the idea of an exchange of ideas. I enjoy the idea of debate, and I can almost hear your rebuttal. Will, there are all kinds of state-required medical procedures, as you put it, quote-unquote “medical procedures" that come in the form of vaccines. You and your children will have taken those vaccines in compliance with state health requirements and in order to attend public school. And you're right. MMR, measles, mumps, and rubella, and in generations past, polio and smallpox vaccines have been required by the state. But my response to you in comparing the COVID vaccine to the MMR vaccines would be twofold.
Number one, the MMR vaccines have been tried and tested for decades now. The polio vaccine as well. And as we've talked about in previous episodes of The Will Cain Podcast, history will show you that the polio vaccine was in fact recalled from the shelves years after it had been approved and sold by the big pharmaceutical companies. Vaccines are imperfect. All medicine is imperfect. Medicine, just like life, is a balancing act, the risk-reward proposition. But too many are pretending right now because the vaccine is turned into a political marker, a badge, an armband that one wears around on social media to project your fidelity not to science, but to authority, to project your virtue. But because the vaccine has been turned into this political signifier, too many are pretending that this vaccine carries with it zero problems or risks.
That, by the way, was some of the asinine responses to the Jonathan Isaac — NBA player Jonathan Isaac's very eloquent case for why he has chosen not to get vaccinated, that he has done the risk-reward analysis, he has natural immunity, that he understands that perhaps rare adverse [UNINTELLIGIBLE] effects of the vaccine. But he also understands the rare potentiality for a 22-year-old professional athlete in the peak physical prime of his life from suffering a severe case of COVID. Too many thought Isaac was misinformed or stupid, or only sounded smart to stupid people because they are under the delusional belief that there is no adverse reaction to the vaccine.
Once again, if you're just listening to us for the first time several episodes back, I laid out for you with numbers from the CDC, the number of adverse effects for children to the vaccine compared to the number of deaths with information provided again from the CDC for children from COVID. You can compare the two numbers against one another and find which presents to you the greater risk. Only a zealot, only a faith-based convert, only the political partisan hack who uses the vaccine as his outward sign of virtue, would pretend that either side of that equation is without risk.
And my second response to comparing the COVID vaccine to the MMR vaccine would be to say yes, it's true. There are certain government mandates to participate in society. But why are we in the process of expanding those mandates? Shouldn't we be in the process of reducing those mandates? Shouldn't our default setting be to impose upon each other less, not more? And that brings us to, I think, your second rebuttal, which is when it comes to either what I'm saying or what Jonathan Isaac had to say, how selfish of you, Will, to only think about the risk to your body.
People seem to believe that you have a duty to get the vaccine or to stay at home or to wear a mask to help protect the community. That whether or not Jonathan Isaac is correct in his risk assessment for himself as an individual, he's quote-unquote “selfish" in his act to the community; that we're in a worldwide pandemic, Will, we shouldn't be in the process of reducing mandates. We should be expanding mandates to save lives. What I would say to you is you've lost the plot. Nothing Jonathan Isaac chooses to do, either get vaccinated or remain unvaccinated, has any impact on anyone else in this society.
The quote-unquote “unvaccinated" are not a threat to you. They don't spread the virus more readily. We haven't maxed out hospital capacity despite observational stories from MSNBC. So they don't threaten cancer patients who can't get in there and get treatment because Jonathan Isaac could potentially end up in the hospital. He owes nothing to the community because the community requires nothing of him. That simply is a fact. The burden is on you. Explain to me how an unvaccinated person presents a threat to the community at large.
Dr. Robert Malone talked about this rationale, this idea that you owe something to the community, that you're being selfish if you don't undergo a government-mandated medical procedure. And he asked, I think very appropriately, that what is the ethical boundary on that rationale? What are your limits in how many situations will you dictate to other people what they should do with their bodies? If the authorities, the all-capital Scientists, decided that overpopulation was a real problem for this planet, either because of food supplies or the fashionable idea of climate change, climate justice — if the authorities decided that overpopulation were a problem, would you support in the interests of the community forced chemical castration to control the number of births that take place in this country? Is that absurd? What about if you just adopted a Chinese-style one-child policy? What if you told families you could have no more than one kid or two kids, whatever number tickles your fancy? Would you also endorse these types of government mandates on what people do with their bodies?
And as I'm speaking, I can also hear your third rebuttal. I can hear what you might think would be an inconsistency. Oh, Will, you're so opposed to government mandates and choices over what people do with their bodies. But where are you, for example, on abortion? This isn't an inconsistency, and to even think that it is shows me we're just talking past each other. We don't understand one another's positions. I don't choose to impose upon any woman what she should do with her body. I don't really choose to impose upon anyone what they should do with their body. But as the saying goes, your freedom to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose. An abortion is simply an act that affects another human being. Abortion is an act where one person's choice of what to do with their body takes away the choice of someone else on what to do with their body. A woman's right to choose ends another person's right to live, and there is no comparison to a COVID vaccine because you haven't answered the initial question. You haven't carried the burden of proof of explaining to me the threat that an unvaccinated person presents to a vaccinated person. The threat of what an unvaccinated person presents to society.
And not for nothing, but as far as I know, we're all unvaccinated. Welcome to the new world. We're all in the same boat. Everyone is unvaccinated, because in that same interview with The Atlantic, Dr. Anthony Fauci started talking about cities like New York who are implementing vaccine passports who require for you to enter a Chick-fil-A or to sit down at a bar proof that you are fully vaccinated. In that same interview with The Atlantic, Dr. Anthony Fauci said he did not think in the future that we should be counted as fully vaccinated until we've had three shots, until we've had the booster shot. Not until then will you be fully vaccinated. So that means everyone listening, whether or not your pro-vax or anti-vax, vaccinated or unvaccinated — that means every single one of us are in the same boat. We're all unvaccinated. We're all, I guess, by your own logic, a threat to the community. There's no difference between you and Jonathan Isaac. There's no difference between me and Bradley Beal or Kyrie Irving or any other NBA star that's vaccine-hesitant.
And in this world of sliding scales, of moving the goalposts of a finish line we can never reach, we'll only get to fully vaccinated status for a few months at three shots before we're once again in the same boat as unvaccinated until we get to four shots, until we get to five, until we get to one every six months, until we're getting our shots two to three times a year until we fully are prescribed to the fully priced version of Pfizers. We will have moved from bend the curve to zero COVID. We will have moved from 60% herd immunity to 97-98. We will have moved from two shots to six and we may well have moved to a fully authoritarian state like New Zealand or Australia.