STEVE DOOCY (HOST): You know, doctor, for folks who are just getting up the way it went down according to the people who were at this Christmas party yesterday, this guy was an inspector for the health department. He was at the party a couple hours and then he left. Came back with her and then they shot up the place. Clearly, if they're wearing body armor and go-pros, and they've been building pipe bombs at home, this was not a spur of the moment thing. My question to you is this, it was a Christmas party. Do you think that --
MICHAEL WELNER: That's right, that's right.
DOOCY: Could have been a motivation? It's symbolic because it's a Christmas party.
WELNER: Well, it's symbolic, but the point of mass shooting and terror is to create spectacle, and in the United States you create spectacle by a high body count. You have a party, you have a lot of people together, you have some people drinking who will be disarmed, and you have people in a room, and you are able to kill many very, very quickly. Look, I worked on the Holmes case, this is precisely why Holmes picked the theater. Because you had people who were there, he could kill many people. And absolutely the idea of getting notoriety is part of it. But in this case, it's notoriety for a cause. And we spoke about the idea of the ideology. How far would you go. And the idea of these spectacle crimes, they're used as a recruitment tool. I think it's very important for us to move on from the idea of questioning this, and questioning that. Because it becomes as absurd at some point as saying, well, this was a video as the cause of Benghazi. The fact that we allowed ourselves to be misled by the idea that a video was responsible, it had so much of a destructive impact on the national discourse. If we just acknowledge realities, then we can solve problems in the future, and enhance public safety.
