DAN BONGINO (HOST) Alex, this focus on so-called misinformation by the government, by the Obama — excuse me — Biden administration now admitting it targeting, quote, "misinformation" seems bizarre because they can't even get their own message straight. What I don't understand, and maybe you can explain, being an expert on this topic, is if the vaccine works, then why are you suggesting that the vaccine isn't working by demanding people put a mask on again in L.A. County. It doesn't make sense.
ALEX BERENSON (AUTHOR): Well, unfortunately now there's considerable evidence coming out of Britain and Israel and actually most of Europe that the vaccines have pretty limited efficacy. And we are seeing a ton of breakthrough cases. But I want to come back to your misinformation point, because on Friday night Twitter blocked me for 12 hours from posting. You know, I've been one of the loudest voices questioning our coronavirus response really for the last 18 months and Amazon came at me last year and then backed down, but I think we are at a particularly perilous moment right now because I can't help but feel that Twitter probably did this under direct pressure from the Biden administration, which is actively and aggressively trying to get social media platforms to silence voices that they don't like. Now, I have what's called a Substack, which is a platform that I control that's an independent newsletter, but let's be honest, Twitter is a very important platform for debate and discussion and breaking news, and the fact that they are now apparently under direct pressure from the administration is just deeply troubling.
BONGINO: Well, Alex, just to kind of harp on what you said there, if that is true and there are breakthrough cases, and I know you have studied the data, then at least Twitter and social media should be a forum to then put that information out there. That's kind of the information in the public interest, wouldn't you think?
BERENSON: Oh, I mean, absolutely. And I am very careful, OK? I am not out there talking about 5G or graphene oxide or any of this nonsense. I'm talking about data that comes out of the U.K., that comes out of Israel, that comes out of European countries, that comes out of our own hospital systems, and saying look, it does not like these vaccines work for anywhere near as long as other vaccines. We are already seeing so many cases and that's why there's this discussion of booster shots. Booster shots for adults for vaccines are unheard of. There's an annual vaccine for the flu, but the flu vaccine, frankly, is not very effective and doesn't have nearly the side effects that the coronavirus vaccines do.
But the idea that you would have to get a vaccine months after your initial and initial booster dose should really raise red flags for people and that's all I'm trying to say. And again, the fact that Twitter has now blocked me for 12 hours, I'm very -- I think we are in dangerous times.
BONGINO: Alex, I'm concerned because the conflicting messages from the government are contributing to this never-ending fear campaign. People don't even know where they can get information anymore and the Delta variant is the latest, you know, scare tactic. Yes, it's dangerous, it's a virus. But when you look at the cases in January, 251,000 cases of coronavirus, and then the cases now in July, 24,000. It -- the numbers aren't even comparable, and yet we still have the ongoing fear campaign.
BERENSON: You are absolutely correct. Look, cases may go up. In the U.K., actually, cases are almost as high as they were in January even though that Britain is the most-vaccinated major country in the world, OK? So there -- this -- the vaccines do not appear to work very well against the Delta variant, either that or they are just collapsing after a few months, but we need to learn to live with this virus. That's what I've been saying for 18 months, vaccine or no vaccine, monoclonal antibodies or no monoclonal antibodies. We have to learn to live with this, it is not that dangerous to almost everybody who's not extremely old or morbidly obese or very sick with other factors. I'm not saying that it can't kill some people, but we need to understand what the risks really are and understand that as a society we have catastrophically overreacted to this.
BONGINO: That's right. Alex, thanks a lot for joining us.