LOU DOBBS (HOST): I mean, she has just whipped the president of the United States --



SEBASTIAN GORKA: Lou --



DOBBS: No, no -- stop, stop, and then I'll let you finish. You know I'm a -- a animated, energetic supporter of this president --



GORKA: Yes.



DOBBS: -- But you've got to call it as it is. This president said it was going to be conditional, border security, building that wall, and he just reversed himself. That's a victory for Nancy Pelosi. It will be perceived as such on every television monitor and screen in the country -- and to deny it is to try to escape from reality, and that we ain't going to do here.



GORKA: It may be perceived as such, but Lou, remember, this is for three weeks. As far as I'm concerned, this is a master stroke, because this is a standoff that has been extended for three weeks. The government will shut down again, but the president -- ignore what Nancy said today because that's just garbage, the president gets his State of the Union address --



DOBBS: Woah, woah, woah -- what she said today is “garbage?”



GORKA: Yes.



DOBBS: You are talking about the woman who's the queen of the hill, partner. You know what?



GORKA: In her -- in her own mind, in her own mind, Lou.



DOBBS: Maybe in her own mind, but on this broadcast, she's the winner.

Previously:



Lou Dobbs slams Trump's shutdown cave: “Illegal immigrants are surely pleased”

Sean Hannity pleads with caller who says he is “down and out in the dumps” over Trump caving on border wall



After shutdown ends, Sean Hannity claims Democrats in Congress secretly want the wall