BILL O'REILLY (HOST): It's true that [Trump] is getting a pass because is he's not a traditional politician and he's appealing to emotion, which is a a brilliant strategy in this age of dissent in America. Bernie Sanders doing the same thing. Let's be honest. Bernie Sanders' programs are just as wild as some of Mr. Trump's programs.

TED KOPPEL: No, but he is coming in a poor second and Trump is way ahead of the pack. So it does make a difference.

O'REILLY: Right.

KOPPEL: Nobody is able to hold Donald Trump to account because he's not playing by the traditional rules.

O'REILLY: Isn't that a smart thing for him to do though, if he wants to be president?

KOPPEL: It's obviously been an incredibly smart thing. I don't want to pretend that I've been predicting all along that he's going to win. Quite the contrary. I couldn't imagine that he would win. At this point I find it hard to believe that he won't. I still think that the Republicans are going to do everything they can to take it away from him at the convention if need be.