STEVE DOOCY (CO-HOST): Dan, Todd just mentioned it could have been a lot worse had a neighbor not heard the gunfire and rushed toward the scene with a rifle, engaged the guy, apparently, shots were exchanged, and then the guy took off in a car. He got in a pick-up truck with somebody else, a total stranger. They gave chase. What do you think?
DAN BONGINO: Well, you know, Steve, post-Columbine, the world has changed dramatically. These homicidal maniacs and these terrorists out there, they don't want to negotiate. Listen, I can't say this in strong enough terms. They are there for one thing and one thing only: body counts and carnage. You are not going to stop them with flowery language or negotiation. That is not what they're interested in. The only thing that is going to stop these maniacs is a good guy with a gun. Listen, that's tough to say, because it's not an easy thing to say, but it is true, and people deserve the truth. That is the only thing that is going to stop people absolutely committed to body counts and carnage like this.
AINSLEY EARHARDT (CO-HOST): These churches are such soft targets, probably the softest that you can get. The president said he's considering of ramping up security at houses of faith as churches become these soft targets. We interviewed Pastor Jeffress from First Baptist in Dallas earlier, and he said that he allows people to carry inside a church.
DOOCY: And they do.
EARHARDT: And if a man decided to do this inside their church, they wouldn't get off many shots because other people in the sanctuary would stand up with their gun. What do you think of that?
BONGINO: Ainsley, churches -- this is what I did for over a decade of my life in the Secret Service. We walked in everywhere from airports to churches and said, “What's wrong with the security here?” Now, listen, I'm going to tell you something you don't want to hear either. If you're a pastor or a member of church or anything. You are in a uniquely vulnerable institution. Why? You have a choke point. Where does everybody come in in church? In the back. Nobody comes in behind the pulpit. So what does that mean? That's where everybody leaves too. It makes for easy targeting. Number two, there's almost no cover or concealment in a church. Why are there no walls in a church? Because you have to see the priest or the rabbi or whatever. So there's no way for you to hide. Third, when you're in a church, where is everybody's attention? Up front. Where do these killers come in? In the back. So I'm begging you. I'm imploring you if you are a pastor or someone who runs a church, a synagogue, or whatever, it is your responsibility to take these into effect and to harden up your institutions. It's sad to say that, but it's true.
BRIAN KILMEADE (CO-HOST): Well, here's the thing. Everybody volunteers in a church. That's how the church subsists. I don't care what religion you are. Can we have a volunteer security guard? Hey, go to church at 9:00. I need you until 9:00. I need you from 9:00 to 11:00. I mean, especially people trained you like.
