PETE HEGSETH (GUEST CO-HOST): Mr. Speaker the conventional wisdom amongst pollsters, pundits, a lot of political folks is you can't have a show down or a shutdown right before the election. It's going to make the president look bad, Republicans control the House and the Senate. But could it cut the other way? Could it, as you suggest, demonstrate how committed this president is to following through on his policies and how far the left has gone in opening these borders?
NEWT GINGRICH (FOX NEWS CONTRIBUTOR): Look, if the only issue narrowly drawn is the wall, I don't know that it's a winner. But if the issue is, does the United States have the right to control immigration, do we have the right to block murderers, thugs -- MS-13 is a gang dedicated to torture, rape, and murder. This is not hyperbole, this is a fact. Sanctuary cities increase the danger of crime. Eighty-four percent of the country -- 84 percent agree that sanctuary cities increase the cost of crime. So, if the president gets in a fight where the issue is not just the wall, but the issue is a Democratic Party committed to open borders and wide open migration with no controls, versus a Republican Party trying to protect you from criminals, I think that's a dead loser for the Democrats in October.
AINSLEY EARHARDT (CO-HOST): The president, he ran on this. The wall is nothing new. This is something that he has wanted and his constituents have wanted. You were speaker of the House. What needs to happen to get it through? Because America -- the majority of Americans, at least the ones who voted for him, they want this.
GINGRICH: Well, first of all, I think the president ought to indicate that he will sign something which is a down payment. Then the Democrats have so say that they are so opposed to protecting America's borders that they won't even agree to a modest down payment. I think that, as I said a minute ago, I mean, he's got to be firm. If this is the fight he wants he's got to go to the country. He's got to explain it. He's got to tie it to illegal criminals and to people who we know -- as facts, I mean, you go around the country and you find these incidents, people who have been killed, people who have been tortured, people who have been raped. You look at the total volume of fentanyl and of opioids that come in across the border, and I think the president can make a very strong case. If that's the case, the question is who's more radical? Is it more radical to want to have a wall or is it more radical to want to have open borders? If he can make that clear enough, this will in the end in October be very expensive for the Democrats.
