WILL CAIN (HOST): Matthew, to take this full circle, I have read some of your work and this idea that we have to learn from past mistakes, be open to our own failures, learn, move forward and apply to specific circumstances — it seems as though we are making all the same mistakes. For example, when we approach how to treat COVID. We keep doubling down on lockdowns or masks. We force ourselves into binary thinking, vaccinated or unvaccinated, and we don't really consider all the different ways in which we can fight this pandemic. It seems that we, at least at our leadership level are really — to use this term again — constipated in our thinking.