MARTHA MACCALLUM (ANCHOR): David Carlucci, I remember Alejandro Mayorkas testifying with a straight face to Congress that the border was not open, so I don't know how all these criminals got in here, but they are here and now they're being removed. Why did we never see the Homeland Security secretary participating in the removal of criminals and people who worked for the cartels?
DAVID CARLUCCI (GUEST): Well, a very simple reason, and many law enforcement officers are out there publicly saying that this is reckless to identify and announce when you're doing these raids and where for a few reasons, but most importantly it gives notice and the most dangerous among them will flee. And when you look at these arrests --
MACCALLUM: So that's why Alejandro Mayorkas never participated because he didn't want to give anyone a heads -- I mean, these people, these people, they didn't get a heads up.
CARLUCCI: No, he was participating, but it's not about just large numbers. It's about an actual policy, and when you look at the people that have been picked up -- thank goodness we're getting the most dangerous criminals out of here, but over half of them are not dangerous criminals; they're just undocumented. And yes, they should --
MACCALLUM: No, that's not -- that's not what we understood. This is the worst-first policy. I mean, we have put up on the board, you know, examples of the kind of people that are being taken out. Child abusers, sex abusers --
CARLUCCI: But that's not all of them.
MACCALLUM: -- and these are people who were already indicated as much.
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MCCALLUM: They were already indicated that way under the Biden administration and they were not removed, David.
CARLUCCI: No. We had more deportations under Biden than we did in the first term of Donald Trump. And yes, did we do a good job publicizing it? No, but that's not the idea. It's not about a headline — it's about a policy.