MARTHA MACCALLUM: Well you know you look at both sides I think of the political spectrum, Susan, and you see, real extreme in the language that is used on both sides. You know on one side you've got Joe Biden saying that if he is elected he would be likely the most progressive president in history and then you've got President Trump who is speaking in a way that President Trump speaks. So I wonder, your grandfather talked about the middle way and that doesn't seem to exist, at least in the rhetoric. Although I do think it exists in human beings.