GREG KELLY (HOST): Just a little while ago, President Trump at the White House — I kind of — I watched it. I didn't think that much of it. I mean, he was saying so many interesting, important things, including maybe the Palestinians want to leave Gaza. We take it over, get rid of all the munitions and turn it into some sort of a resort. I thought he was just kind of floating an idea. I mean, I don't know if it was really all that significant, but what do you make of that, Fred?
FRED FLEITZ (GUEST): Well, we know from the Art of the Deal that President Trump says, you don't start with your bottom line. You start with a really tough position and then you negotiate downward. I might add, the State Department has never understood that. I worked on arms control there. They were terrible. But, you know, assuming that this is something that Trump wants to do, that is to take control of Gaza, send in U.S. troops and rebuild it — that's going to be a really heavy lift in Congress. So if he wants to do that, it's going to have to take an incredible plan and an enormous amount of negotiations with congressional leaders. But I don't think we're there yet. I don't think we should be freaking out on this just yet. Let's find out what Trump has in mind. What are Arab states going to say? This is going to scare the hell out of a lot of our enemies in the Middle East. They don't want a U.S. troop presence in Gaza either. So this may be a way to smoke out an even better approach. And maybe we can get these regional states to take a large number of Palestinian refugees.
KELLY: Right. And sometimes, look, he's allowed to think out loud, right Blaine? I mean, he is — he does that. And yeah, the fake news, their headlines and oh my God. But you listen to his tonality, you realize he's just talking with us.
BLAINE HOLT (GUEST): You're never going to know which way the ants, the fire ants are going to scatter until you knock over the ant mound. And this is exactly classic President Trump. So he basically throws a hand grenade into a room. Everybody goes nuts. And now he knows exactly where they are on certain things and how they're going to react to certain things and what the temperature is. So he learns a lot in these types of moments. And if nobody says or does anything, well, maybe the idea is going to go down this path. But I found a lot of humanitarian comments. I also found something very valuable in what he said today, that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. And what he's really saying is, whatever the solution is going to be in Gaza, in the Middle East, it's not going to be the thing that has been pounded over fifty years from organizations that have made cottage industries out of terrorism and human misery.