MICHAEL KNOWLES (HOST): Put another nickel in the Pete-is-not-gay conspiracy theory jar. I've always taken Pete at his word that he is a homosexual. However, I have some friends including a homosexual friend of mine, Spencer Klavan, who has said for a long time that Pete Buttigieg is not really gay.
That's his favorite conspiracy theory. And I said, I don't know, man. You know? I don't know. And he said, no. I'm telling you. He's — and his argument was that Pete Buttigieg, I've met many people like this, he's a real striver. You know? He was a Harvard guy, real ambitious.
I mean, for goodness' sakes, the guy went from being mayor of some town in Indiana to being the transportation secretary pretty much based on nothing. He decided he was gonna run — he was gonna be mayor of a small town and then just run for president. He actually did pretty well. So he's a real striver. He's real ambitious.
And — but he has this problem, which is he's a straight white guy. And, again, I'm not saying he's a straight white guy. I'm saying this is the conspiracy theory. He's a straight white guy. So he's got this problem. Right? He's over there at Harvard. He says, shoot, man. I'm not gonna rise very far in liberal politics if I'm the most evil type of person in the world, a straight white guy. So I need something. I need some struggle. And I know — listen, I know a white guy who's married to a woman who identifies as queer. In fact, I know multiple straight white guys who call themselves non-heterosexual or non-straight or whatever. So that's — I am taking Pete Buttigieg at his word that he has same-sex attraction.