KATY TUR (HOST): What is your take on this, Chris, having talked to Carter Page, seeing this memo come out, what do you think?
CHRIS HAYES (MSNBC HOST): A few things. One is that, from the very beginning, Carter has viewed himself as kind of civil rights martyr in a way, that he is on the wrong side of a vast overreach of the American surveillance state, and that he will be shown to be innocent, and that this was all part of this conspiracy in a way. And I mean it in the realest terms. Like, Carter has held that there's a conspiracy -- he has a conspiracy theory about what happened to him, about the FISA surveillance, about the fact that he was, sort of, referenced in the dossier, the fact he's been referenced in news reports. And that conspiracy theory that he has had for awhile and he would send to me and our staff in texts and tell me off set, has now become the official conspiracy theory of the Republican party, of the Republican majority on the House Intelligence Committee, and of the president of the United States. That is now the official conspiracy theory of the people that run the government with a very, very important dissent from the people that run the FBI itself, and I think actually probably the DOJ. So, there is a direct link between the kinds of ways that Carter himself has talked about this story from the very beginning, which is that it was -- there was this vast conspiracy to subvert democracy, to the memo published today, which is essentially Carter's take on everything with the informator of Devin Nunes and the White House.
