ROB FINNERTY (HOST): So, I'm very curious about this. It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome. We started hearing about it, you know, really early in Trump's presidency. And I'm just wondering, I was reading something in the New England Journal of Medicine today that said, for it to be a clinical thing, a real thing that people suffer from, more than one person has to seek treatment. Could TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome be a real clinical problem people are having?
DREW PINSKY (GUEST): I doubt it's going to be a — it's certainly not going to be a diagnosis, right? A syndrome is a constellation of symptoms that are caused by a variety of phenomenon. And I recently interviewed on that Rumble show two psychologists, very highly trained psychometric psychologists, a couple, husband and wife who recognized this and went out to measure and figure out what was behind the Trump Derangement Syndrome. And as someone who is clinical myself and also is not incited by Donald Trump — the extreme idolatry towards him and the extreme negative reactions he indoctrinates from people, to me is mysterious. So when these people came up with some data, I immediately went and interviewed them. And what they showed was that it's the same people that get tied up in the hysteria, that 20% of people that are suggestible, hypnotizable, the ones that feel out of control, and the way they frame this is that they have an external locus of control. Some of them gave — detached them from their internal feelings and locus of control, and placed everything out here. And the two common things that do that are, A, excessive parenting, helicopter parenting -- and we know we've been through a pandemic of that - as well as adverse childhood experiences and narcissistic injuries, and we've had an epidemic of that. So there are a lot more people like this around these days.