MARK MORGAN (GUEST): I think today what the Supreme Court said is that our character is what won rather than the color of your skin. And I think this is going to be a defining legacy moment for Justice Roberts, who for a very long time has said that the best way to stop racial discrimination is to stop discriminating based on race. That the means matter here. That they shouldn't discriminate to somehow get to diversity. The means matters. You can't create chaos and harm a large class to, somehow, protect others. I mean, I think that's what's happened on our borders right now. You can't create, you know, chaos and harm to protect another group. I think this is the right thing. I think this goes the heart of the 14th Amendment. And let's not forget, in this opinion, there is still -- race is not done, right? They said that they can talk about individual struggles. So you can use your race to show your character to show how you overcome it -- you overcame adversity. Your strength and your courage. Look, as a young man. I lost my father to a drunk driver. My brother committed suicide. So, when I wrote my essays, it wasn't about that. But it was about how I overcame that. It showed my character. That's what won today rather than the color of your skin.
MARC LOTTER (HOST): You know, one of the things that many people, especially on the right, have taken away is that this, basically, fulfills Dr. King's dream of saying that you would be judged by the content of your character, not by the color of your skin.
DANIEL LIPPMAN (GUEST): Yeah, that is a good point. But I would say Dr. King would probably be against this decision and he would be profoundly shocked by it. And I think this goes against what Americans want.