ENRIQUE TARRIO: I think people are now -- there's something and I've said this a couple of times, I think the amazing part about this -- this election, or this fucking lack of an election, is that people have come together and have realized what's important. You know, the unity was -- was fucking unreal there. The camaraderie between the boys was unreal. There was a lot -- a lot that went on that was amazing.
But there's a lot that -- there's a lot of new people, new -- new enemies that -- that we didn't see before, and I think we've been crying about it for -- for a little bit.
Not crying, we've been -- we've been talking about it for a little bit. And like these people that want to demonize us, they first, you know, the first step was silencing us on social media, then the financial stuff. And now we're talking about like agencies and things like that, trying to put pressure on -- and I genuinely believe that when Biden takes office, I think -- I think that pressure is going to come in and we're -- we're going to become the enemies of the Democrats at that point.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: I mean, I've been seeing this more and more, especially in the PN -- the Pacific Northwest.
One thing that I'm really fed up with, and a lot of people, you know, with the criticisms I'd like to throw back in their face, be like, you know, what do -- what do police officers use when somebody is breaking the law? They use violence, they use force, in essence, right?
So what do we do when -- when the police officers are breaking the law? Nothing. We don't do anything, right? Back the blue. Back the blue. Back the blue. But now we're seeing it’s deeper than that.
We’re -- we're seeing with this election fraud, we're seeing that as we're trying to take our street back and just protect people for expressing their First Amendment right, that these cops are -- their priority is to protect federal, you know, basically federal land over protecting your life.
“NOBLEBEARD”: Yup.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Like, I see the priority in protecting buildings and materials over human life, over American life like this. And this is the thing, and I don't want to see --I'm not -- I don't want to seem like I'm coming out against, like, -- I hate cops. There's a lot of good cops out there, you know, I know a lot of good cops.
But what I'm seeing when we're there on the front line, putting our own security, I mean, like we got beard on here right now. As -- perfect example, guy got stabbed, almost died a few times. And we're sitting here debating how we looked. You know what I mean? It's really getting old that, you know, people like, “Well, I don't like how you handled that.” Well, you know, if the cops did their fucking job, we wouldn't be in this conversation right now.
JOE BIGGS: Well, you’re also not here.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: We’d -- we’d be waving American flags and we would go home. No problems at all. But they're not doing their job. And they need to be told that. People need to understand this. The reason why Proud Boys is out there in the first place, is because they're letting you down. They're letting us down, on more -- in more areas than one. And so, you know, until that happens and start -- they, until they start doing their job, it's going to get uglier. It's going to look bad, because violence doesn't look good, you know what I mean? But it's necessary. And that's what people need to realize. It's -- there's -- there's a line in the sand right now, and it's been drawn a long time ago.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Yeah, brother.
BIGGS: But the crazy thing too -- the crazy thing too, those -- the FBI has put out that they’re investigating this whole, you know, banner burning thing. You know, meanwhile, BLM has burned, looted and murdered in cities, destroyed cities, destroyed businesses, family owned businesses, literally destroyed lives and people's future. A few guys took banners away from a building, put it in the middle of the street so it would not do damage to any structure and lit it on fire as a protest. Now, let's go back and caveat. During the 2016 elections in Philadelphia, I was at the DNC. I saw numerous groups like the Revolutionary Communist Party take down flags, American flags and burn them in the streets. Nothing happened. I've seen BLM grab Trump signs. I've seen antifa grab Trump signs, light them on fire, shit on them, piss on them. Nothing happens.
Two fucking banners get taken down and the SPLC decides to write an article. The FBI is conducting investigations. That shows you just how fucked up shit is.
“NOBLEBEARD”: God damn right.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Yep.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: More and more, man. More and more, Biggs. I mean, we're seeing, you know, the -- the general public is coming up to us and sees us for what we are now. You know what I mean? The general public is coming up to us and giving us all the thanks and praise in the world. They -- they're actually at the realization that this organization is -- is not what the SPLC and these other bullshit organizations like the ADL, you know, make us out to be, you know what I mean? What -- what the deal is with law enforcement, these guys are out there following people like Browser's unlawful orders. You know what I mean?
What we need is law enforcement to differentiate, you know, a lawful order from an unlawful order, an unlawful order. You know what I mean? They're out there, you know. I mean, it's, you know, just like the Nuremberg trials, man. I mean, shit, you know, these guys were just following orders and shit. If these guys, these law enforcement officers are going to go out there and just follow these orders, I mean, you know, eventually, you know, there's going to come a time when -- when -- when we, or the people in general, because the people are coming to this realization, you know what I mean? The people are coming to the realization that this organization is out there doing what we should all be doing. You know what I'm saying? So, I mean, law enforcement, man, I mean, you got --
BIGGS: The thin blue line is getting thinner.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Exactly.
BIGGS: It is. It is. And that's why I keep telling people the thin blue line is getting thinner. We've got to go out there and be a beacon, you know, and we're inspiring people to get up off their ass. Look. We can't be bootlickers, you know. Yes, there's good cops, you go around through the flyover states like they call it, but when you go to these places like Atlanta, D.C., Philadelphia, Seattle, Portland, these cops are literally just following orders.
They don't care, you know, and the cops, the good cops, what they need to do is stand up, just like BLM goes, oh, we're not out there doing the stuff at night time. We're out there peacefully marching during the day. Well, there's people using your name. They go out in the middle of the night to conduct fucking looting, arson and murder. You need to separate yourself and go, “I'm not part of that. I disassociate myself from that. I disavow those types of actions. And that has nothing to do with us.”
And the good police officers who actually stand for the Constitution, either do the same thing. The police officers in Philadelphia, the police officers in DC, the police officers in Portland and Seattle, we don't stand with them. They're not doing the right thing. They took an oath, the same oath as me. And I promise you, as a police officer in Volusia County, you know, or whatever, that I will stand for the Constitution, that I will not adhere to any unconstitutional mask mandates or weapon grabs or anything like that that the government puts out.
We need to see cops stand up and pick a side, because right now you need to fucking pick the side you're going to be on. Because when it comes down to a total war, if it does, guess what? It's more of us than there is of any other people. And you want to be on the side of the people that are going to have your back.
“NOBLEBEARD”: Well, and that's the thing. Don't turn your backs. I said this in a post last week, was the police need to stop turning their backs on the only people that have had theirs.
BIGGS: Yep.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Yep.
“NOBLEBEARD”: When they're -- you know, when they're out, we're out there. I heard guys start to chant “back the blue,” I said, no, no, no, no, no. No, we're not doing that. We're not doing that this weekend. They’re not -- They're not earned that. They got to earn our trust and our respect --
BIGGS: Yep.
“NOBLEBEARD”: And they got to earn our love.
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Damn right.
“NOBLEBEARD”: They’re not -- and so, you know -- so, the most -- most of what you're going to find, Biggs, is the people like that, like you're talking about, are going to be sheriffs.
BIGGS: Yeah.
“NOBLEBEARD”: Sheriffs, elected, those are going to be the ones that we could count on when the shit goes down.
BIGGS: Yeah, those guys are always cool.
“NOBLEBEARD”: Police are there, the police officers are generally there for a paycheck and a pension. And they don't give a shit about anything in between. One of the DC lieutenants, I didn't catch his name and I wouldn’t put it out there anyways. I pulled him aside, he turned his camera off and I had a conversation with him Saturday night, Saturday night.
And I said, why are you blocking us from getting to them? You know what they're out here doing. Let us clean it up. Let us handle it.
He said, “I don't know why you guys are here.” He said, “antifa’s not here.” Of course, we were waiting for the sewer rat to come back from a little fucking journey that he was on. We’re all standing around there waiting, and he’s like, “Don’t be here,” said “Antifa’s not here, you know where they’re at, go get them.”
BIGGS: Yeah.
“NOBLEBEARD”: So, some of them were on our side.
ENRIQUE TARRIO: Yeah, I -- I always say and I think it's more now, I always it like, I support police officers individually, the thin blue line thing. That's it. There's no there's no thin for me. It just -- it's nonexistent. I was -- I was pulling off thin blue line patches off our guys most of the weekend.
BIGGS: Yeah, I took mine off.
TARRIO: You can't -- you can’t -- you can't hold -- you --
“RUFIO PANMAN”: No, you don’t get to wear that flag and boast that shit, after you do nothing and watch people get beat up in the streets while people who aren't getting paid are doing your job.
ENRIQUE TARRIO: It doesn't mean that -- it doesn't mean, and I think, I think most of you guys are being fair --
BIGGS: But you are getting paid, you’re making millions, right? I thought you’re a grifter, you’re all getting fat paychecks, like fucking grifter pay, man.
TARRIO: Super fat paycheck.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Yeah dude, I'm loaded.
TARRIO: I'm loaded. I’m loaded. I'm loaded with shit here, loaded with fucking bills. But the truth is, like, I still respect, you know, their line. I still respect their work. You know, if you noticed that when we're marching, I always -- like when we had like a police line in front of us, I always like to have like ten, twenty feet away from them, just to -- so we won't be pushed up on them and make them nervous. So we did -- we did have that.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: We're not assholes, but at the same time, I don't depend on them for nothing. And if anything, I'm about ready to just, like, storm their lines because you know what? I'm like. You know, if it comes down, me or you, like, it's going to be me.
TARRIO: Yeah.
BIGGS: Now Rufio, Rufio, you're making terroristic threats right now.
“RUFIO PANMAN”: Yeah, well, sorry.
BIGGS: Somebody’s gonna start sending you dick pics over it.
TARRIO: You know, somebody -- somebody on the chat’s talking about --
“TRAILOFFEARS20”: Don’t threaten him with a good time.
TARRIO: Somebody on the chat’s talking about like New York cops, New York Cops have always been fucking pretty much assholes to us since day one. So there is -- there is good cops, there is good police stations. There's --
“RUFIO PANMAN”: They’re like rural areas, you know, like not city cops.
TARRIO: But it's fucking -- it's fucking retarded to think that, like, these people won't turn on you, on -- at the drop of a dime. I try to pass on, like, if we're somewhere, I try to tell them, hey, we're here, blah, blah, we're moving there. And I think I had less of that interaction this time because I just don't -- I don't -- I don't trust them to do -- to do their job. I just don't, you know.
BIGGS: Well, that's -- that's our issue right now with the police. That's what people understand. It's always defund the police, defund the police, this and that.
But what we have in the cities is we have cops who live in suburbs who are being, you know, stationed in cities, to work around people that they're not used to working around, and they're also not individuals within their community.
If we were to get back to, like, how the sheriff's department is and smaller police forces throughout flyover states, these are police officers who live within the community. That police officer knows you, your wife, your kids. You guys eat at the same restaurants. You all know each other. You have a fucking relationship. And when it comes time for him to come up, he's like, oh, you've been drinking again. Come on, dude, let's not do that again. You know, if I have to, I'll put you in jail. But this time, you know, I'm just going to give you a warning. These cops don't have any relationship within the communities that they're policing and therefore they have no emotional connection or family connection or anything like that or human connection. It's just like these are dudes that I have to arrest and I have a quota to make and I got to give out speeding tickets, and I'm going to go back to the suburbs where it's nice or whatever. There's none of that community policing and we got to get back to that. If you live in the city, you need to be a cop in the city. If you live in the suburbs, you need to be a cop in the suburbs, you need to be a cop in the spot where you live.