CHRIS HAYES (HOST): Angelo, what was Shine's role at Fox News?
ANGELO CARUSONE: He was with Roger Ailes, from Fox News' inception, and he was basically his right hand man, as you pointed out. But he did something really, really significant at Fox News that I actually don't think he gets enough credit for.
When he became co-president of Fox News, back in August of 2016, he sort of oversaw and led the transformation of Fox News from just being sort of a conservative political operation that was pretty far out there, to a pro-Trump propaganda arm.
And so, what that essentially means is that he really had developed the skill set of being able to manage a very wide array of personalities, and at that point, some internal competing interests, but being able to drive through a relatively right-wing extremist agenda, but wrapped around a cult of personality.
And I think that is largely one of the big reasons why he is coming onboard, not just as comms director, but as deputy chief of staff, really to signify the fact that he has a much wider footprint than, say, previous comms directors would have had.
HAYES: Yeah. What do you think of that, Betsy?
BETSY WOODRUFF: I think it's true, and it's important to remember that Bill Shine is going to have significant influence in large part because this is the Fox News administration, not just the White House, which is peppered throughout with people who are alums of the network -- many of whom likely owe some of their television success, and then the resulting political success that they've seen, to people like Bill Shine, who brought them into Fox, who gave them positions of influence within that network.
